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Thematrian1 (8:08:11 PM): we are lacking in people, I fear
Umbrafer (8:08:27 PM): A very lonely chat, indeed.
Umbrafer (8:08:36 PM): Look on the bright side: Gem can claim the deck uncontested ;)
Thematrian1 (8:08:42 PM): heh
Umbrafer (8:08:45 PM): Ah well
Umbrafer (8:09:28 PM): Incidentally, Medusae are scary.
Thematrian1 (8:09:39 PM): in SR, or in general?
Umbrafer (8:09:44 PM): In SR.
Thematrian1 (8:09:51 PM): I believe that. What do they do?
Umbrafer (8:09:54 PM): The ones in general are rather less scary, IMO.
Thematrian1 (8:10:08 PM): Depends if you get a saving throw.
Umbrafer (8:10:55 PM): They're drones with either 4 or 8 points of vehicle armor, a 9M Physical attack with a lot of dice behind it, a 10S Stun shock device for backup, and an initiative of something like 9+4d6.
Umbrafer (8:11:12 PM): And they can, on a typical jump, clear 12 to 15 meters in a single bound.
Thematrian1 (8:11:27 PM): that's impressive
Thematrian1 (8:11:33 PM): why are they called Medusae?
Umbrafer (8:11:46 PM): They're covered in little tendrils. Sensors 5.
Thematrian1 (8:11:55 PM): aha
Umbrafer (8:12:00 PM): They're also called kangaroo cats.
Thematrian1 (8:12:15 PM): are they one of Deus' creations?
Umbrafer (8:12:20 PM): Yep
Thematrian1 (8:12:23 PM): good times
Thematrian1 (8:12:28 PM): I mean, if you're Deus
Thematrian1 (8:12:31 PM): otherwise not so much
Umbrafer (8:12:32 PM): Indeed
Thematrian1 (8:12:41 PM): the point is, they don't exist yet
Umbrafer (8:12:46 PM): True enough
Umbrafer (8:12:51 PM): The bumblebees are pretty scary too.
Umbrafer (8:12:54 PM): Have you seen them?
Thematrian1 (8:12:57 PM): what do they do?
Thematrian1 (8:12:59 PM): I think so
Thematrian1 (8:13:02 PM): but it was a while ago
Umbrafer (8:13:16 PM): They're tiny, incredibly hard to see, and inject a bunch of nanites that cause body temperature to rise precipitously.
Umbrafer (8:13:42 PM): IIRC you have to resist 6S the first turn, 8M the second, 10S the third, and 12D the fourth, with unaugmented Body.
Thematrian1 (8:13:48 PM): oi
Thematrian1 (8:13:59 PM): that's kind of a weird pattern, too
Umbrafer (8:14:01 PM): If you make it past that, they're harmless. Of course, the bees typically come in hives...
Umbrafer (8:14:04 PM): How so?.
Umbrafer (8:14:17 PM): Eep
Umbrafer (8:14:19 PM): 6L the first
Thematrian1 (8:14:20 PM): Starts at S, drops to M...ah
Umbrafer (8:14:23 PM): I'm asleep
Umbrafer (8:14:44 PM): But yeah, it follows the progression from mild fever to proteins denaturing.
Thematrian1 (8:15:03 PM): of course, the odds are very much against even Mongo the troll staging the 12D, so...
Umbrafer (8:15:31 PM): (It's somewhat scary to realise that proteins denature at only about 112° F)
Umbrafer (8:15:58 PM): (At least some of the important ones in the human body)
Thematrian1 (8:16:00 PM): (High fevers are bad juju in their own right)
Umbrafer (8:16:28 PM): (Indeed, but usually it's central nervous system damage, not your proteins deciding they want to fold differently)
Thematrian1 (8:16:58 PM): (Truth)
Umbrafer (8:20:31 PM): So what've you been up to lately?
Thematrian1 (8:20:43 PM): I'm writing a malloc package
Thematrian1 (8:20:46 PM): it's really bloody hard
Umbrafer (8:21:12 PM): *Pretends he knows what all that entails*
Thematrian1 (8:21:17 PM): heh
Thematrian1 (8:21:25 PM): well, you're familiar with malloc()?
Umbrafer (8:21:35 PM): By reputation only.
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MilesMk1 (8:22:15 PM): Evening.
Thematrian1 (8:22:29 PM): hey there
Umbrafer (8:22:33 PM): *Waves*
MilesMk1 (8:22:56 PM): Is Dave gone because I was running late, or...?
Umbrafer (8:23:06 PM): No sign of him.
Thematrian1 (8:23:08 PM): he's just gone
MilesMk1 (8:23:25 PM): Ah. I feel better about being late, then.
Umbrafer (8:23:58 PM): Just to let you all know, in 25-30ish minutes I'm going to have to step out briefly to pick up a pizza. Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes, under 10 if I don't underestimate cooking time.
MilesMk1 (8:24:21 PM): I actually need to log off no later than 10:00 or so, so this might not end up being our longest session...
Thematrian1 (8:24:43 PM): yikes. Well, basically we need to sort out the deck.
Umbrafer (8:24:48 PM): Basically.
Umbrafer (8:25:58 PM): Feel free to start on negotiations if there's anything you care to or can sort out without Dave here.
MilesMk1 (8:26:23 PM): Well... I think Dave's stance on the deck is going to be the issue here.
MilesMk1 (8:27:05 PM): My point of view is that selling something for a fraction of the price just for the sake of selling it when someone can use it is a bad idea...
Thematrian1 (8:27:41 PM): really? That simplifies things a lot.
MilesMk1 (8:27:56 PM): On the other hand, it seems like MacLeod isn't terribly proficient at decking, so a 400K deck seems like overkill, and if he wants to keep it, some sort of compensation would be in order...
Thematrian1 (8:28:01 PM): I want to use it, MacLeod wants to use it, the only...ah
MilesMk1 (8:30:14 PM): At the very least, I'd like "dibs" on valuable equipment we might come across in the future.
Thematrian1 (8:30:44 PM): Heh. I like that plan fine, and Gem wouldn't mind, but it supposes a lot of trust for runners who've never worked together before.
MilesMk1 (8:32:08 PM): Well, yeah... Basically, Glitch's approach to this would be give me 40K (about what his cut from selling the deck would come to) and you're free to do whatever you want with the deck.
MilesMk1 (8:32:25 PM): Hell, 30K, since we're working together.
MilesMk1 (8:35:43 PM): Or nothing. I'll take nothing, too.
Thematrian1 (8:35:48 PM): heh
Thematrian1 (8:36:04 PM): the 30K plan works for Gem. It does come down to Dave/MacLeod though.
Umbrafer (8:37:04 PM): Keep in mind that there are loan sharks who cater to the Shadows, if you're ever in need of some quick cred. (Not that it's necessarily immediately relevant, but something to keep in mind nonetheless)
Thematrian1 (8:37:46 PM): We have enough from our pay, I think. 20k each?
MilesMk1 (8:37:52 PM): I'm willing to settle for a payment plan of some sort...
Umbrafer (8:37:59 PM): Including the up-front, it was something around that
Umbrafer (8:38:01 PM): IIRC
Thematrian1 (8:38:22 PM): So, 15K from each of Gem and MacLeod.
MilesMk1 (8:40:51 PM): Works for me, if MacLeod can be convinced.
MilesMk1 (8:41:02 PM): Like I said, if you guys have expenses, I can wait a little.
Thematrian1 (8:41:20 PM): I expect he can be; his expenses aren't high.
Umbrafer (8:41:23 PM): I somehow doubt MacLeod would object to getting a deck for 15k.
Thematrian1 (8:41:29 PM): Worst case scenario, Gem will bribe him with a date ;-)
Umbrafer (8:41:34 PM): Hehehe
Umbrafer (8:41:47 PM): What girls will do for a ¥400k deck.
Thematrian1 (8:42:01 PM): Well, a share of...
MilesMk1 (8:42:17 PM): Well, he did say before that "he has the deck and can't be killed, so he's keeping it."
Thematrian1 (8:42:30 PM): Yeah, but I think that was the time of day talking
Umbrafer (8:44:08 PM): I do hope he doesn't rely on that too often. People are bound to try to prove him wrong.
MilesMk1 (8:47:36 PM): There are ways to get permanently take out of the game even if you can't die.
Umbrafer (8:47:59 PM): Indeed. Those would be even worse.
Umbrafer (8:48:12 PM): I would also never allow a truly unkillable character, regardless of the other ways.
MilesMk1 (8:48:19 PM): Someone buries you in a concrete foundation, and there's not much you can do about it.
Thematrian1 (8:48:26 PM): except suffer a lot, yeah
Umbrafer (8:48:29 PM): Jimmy Hoffa!
Umbrafer (8:48:33 PM): Well
Umbrafer (8:48:39 PM): Eventually the concrete will break
Umbrafer (8:48:50 PM): It may happen sometime around the next Scourge, but hey
MilesMk1 (8:48:53 PM): Yeah... In a few hundred years.
Thematrian1 (8:48:59 PM): Yeah, but by then you'll be a madman, presumably.
Umbrafer (8:49:13 PM): Indeed
MilesMk1 (8:49:20 PM): A different sort of madman, in this case. ;)
Umbrafer (8:49:27 PM): It'd be easiest on a mage, as at least they could astrally project to pass the time.
Thematrian1 (8:49:29 PM): heh
Thematrian1 (8:50:56 PM): well, it'd be easiest on somebody with the ability to destroy the concrete. I'm not sure what cyber would enable that...
Umbrafer (8:51:42 PM): Laser. You've got a lot of time. Then again, most regeneration doesn't play well with cyber.
Thematrian1 (8:51:54 PM): true. But MacLeod has a datajack
Thematrian1 (8:52:03 PM): so whatever it is that he does, if anything, it's not regeneration
MilesMk1 (8:52:25 PM): Hmm... I guess his head is the part that doesn't grow back?
MilesMk1 (8:52:31 PM): Or can you use 'trodes in SR?
Umbrafer (8:52:38 PM): You can use 'trodes.
Thematrian1 (8:52:44 PM): you can, but he has a datajack anyway IIRC
Umbrafer (8:52:53 PM): The primary hit is in matrix initiative, but if you stay out of cybercombat you'll be fine.
Umbrafer (8:54:11 PM): Anyway, I'll be back shortly.
MilesMk1 (8:54:26 PM): At which point do we call it a night?
MilesMk1 (8:54:36 PM): It is almost 9:00.
Umbrafer (8:54:54 PM): Feel free to conduct negotiations if he shows up. If nothing happens by 9:10 or so, you can assume nothing's happening.
Thematrian1 (8:54:57 PM): Well, you and I have a plan. I'll be here a while; I can convey our idea to MacLeod should he appear
MilesMk1 (8:59:20 PM): All right... I think I'll run, I have a few things I need to do, and the earlier the better, since it looks like we probably won't be playing.
MilesMk1 (8:59:36 PM): Have a good night.
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Thematrian1 (9:01:50 PM): argh, I meant to say goodbye
Umbrafer (9:03:43 PM): Back.
Umbrafer (9:04:40 PM): I wonder what happened to him? Seems out of character to miss a session.
Thematrian1 (9:04:52 PM): I don't know. He was on earlier.
Umbrafer (9:05:03 PM): Incidentally, you aren't getting in on the bidding?
Thematrian1 (9:05:30 PM): argh, didn't I? I meant to
Umbrafer (9:05:44 PM): It hasn't ended yet
Thematrian1 (9:05:54 PM): that'd handy
Thematrian1 (9:05:59 PM): /that'd/that's/g
Umbrafer (9:08:23 PM): At some point we need to actually go through and turn it into Shadowrun Monopoly
Thematrian1 (9:09:10 PM): quite a notion.
Umbrafer (9:09:44 PM): Swap the street names for company names, do things like alter the text of Bank Error in Your Favour to be something like Organlegging, that sort of thing.
Umbrafer (9:09:59 PM): One of the railroads should become Federated Boeing.
Thematrian1 (9:10:05 PM): ::snicker::
Thematrian1 (9:10:15 PM): Wouldn't it be bad to draw Bank Error more than once?
Umbrafer (9:10:29 PM): Hm?
Thematrian1 (9:10:44 PM): well, shouldn't...oh
Umbrafer (9:10:54 PM): Not your own organs, silly ;)
Thematrian1 (9:10:54 PM): not selling your own organs to organleggers. Selling other peoples'
Thematrian1 (9:11:01 PM): gotcha
Umbrafer (9:11:04 PM): Johnson sells you out: go directly to Lone Star Containment Facility, do not pass go, do not collect ¥200
Umbrafer (9:11:41 PM): Your team betrays you. Pay ¥50 to every other player.
Umbrafer (9:12:18 PM): Income Tax could be New Beat Cop or something.
Thematrian1 (9:12:20 PM): the other players are my team? Not fraggin' likely
Thematrian1 (9:12:22 PM): hehehe
Umbrafer (9:12:50 PM): Actually, it would be the perfect disfunctional game if everyone was on the same runnerteam
Umbrafer (9:12:58 PM): We'd almost have Paranoia
Umbrafer (9:14:28 PM): Heh. Wow. Didn't expect you'd go that high.
Thematrian1 (9:14:45 PM): Meh. Why screw around in increments of 10?
Umbrafer (9:15:03 PM): In my case, because I was more trying to bleed some cash off of Matt than win the property :)
Thematrian1 (9:15:05 PM): and it's a sure bet that I'm not landing on any properties, so... ;-)
Umbrafer (9:16:00 PM): I need to get a real monopoly board or find a picture of one online so I can visualize the game better.
Umbrafer (9:21:10 PM): Incidentally, did you see the goatbunnies thread on Dumpshock?
Thematrian1 (9:21:21 PM): no
Thematrian1 (9:21:37 PM): ::tries to think of a polite way to ask whether he wants to::
Umbrafer (9:21:45 PM): http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=6234
Umbrafer (9:21:59 PM): Down near the bottom there's a link to a... critter.
Umbrafer (9:22:17 PM): Pretty much in the SR sense of the word.
Umbrafer (9:25:16 PM): (Let me know when you figure out whether you wanted to or not)
Thematrian1 (9:25:38 PM): raar. It won't let me view the video without registration
Umbrafer (9:25:55 PM): I haven't seen the goat-bunnies themselves either, I admit
Thematrian1 (9:26:40 PM): yikes. The thing that's linked on the top of page two is exciting
Thematrian1 (9:26:54 PM): my Spanish isn't strong enough to figure out what it is..
Umbrafer (9:27:00 PM): Portugese, actually
Thematrian1 (9:27:08 PM): close enough ;-)
Umbrafer (9:27:12 PM): Someone on the Playmyth forums offered a translation. Lemme dig it up.
Umbrafer (9:28:01 PM): Putting it in AIM, 'cause that deals better with multiline stuff.
Thematrian1 (9:28:09 PM): aye
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