CirclMastr: (19:34:22) Sorry I'm late; familial issues.
Dragcrell: (19:35:10)Hey Guys I'm here but Mu is useing the comp for a bit :3
umbrafer: (19:36:41)No problem, we've a few minutes yet until we get an Adam and Seiler is reading the log.
umbrafer: (19:53:11)Anyway, we won't have Shoe for a few more minutes but we can get started at this point, more or less
umbrafer: (19:53:51)Had Fuma communicated anything to Clip or just headed out of the event hall?
Thematrian1: (19:54:18)Clip's inner monologue: This is great.  This is so great.  I thought this would be great, but it turns out it's even greater.
umbrafer: (19:54:20)(This is retroactive, since Clip was doing the NPC thing when the action was taken)
umbrafer: (19:55:02)Dunkie is a pretty good orator. He's also a blaze of glory or something along those lines on the astral plane; you feel like you could just fall into it
CirclMastr: (19:55:11) (I remember trying to communicate to Clip and then being told his player wasn't here)
Thematrian1: (19:55:20)(What did you tell him?)
CirclMastr: (19:55:52) (IIRC I tried to point out the suspicious group.  Then Jon said he wasn't here and you had instructed him that Clip would mostly just be amazed.)
umbrafer: (19:56:10)Right as Fuma left the hall.
Thematrian1: (19:56:23)(Ah, I see the spot in the log)
umbrafer: (19:56:27)Yeah
Thematrian1: (19:56:30)#Nope, everything's fine as far as I know#
umbrafer: (19:57:16)*Walk walk walk walk spot dudes*
umbrafer: (19:57:32)*Walk walk conversation*
Thematrian1: (19:57:41)#Why?#
CirclMastr: (19:59:00) #These guys are hiding something.#
CirclMastr: (19:59:32) (brb, I need to switch comps)
umbrafer: (20:02:47)Ok, on the comm Fuma has just come to the conclusion that "these guys are hiding something"
Thematrian1: (20:03:21)right, yes
Thematrian1: (20:03:41)#Mmph.  Can you follow them without their knowing it?#
circlmastr: (20:05:17)#Not really.#
Thematrian1: (20:05:48)#What are they doing?#
circlmastr: (20:06:11)(I don't remember)
circlmastr: (20:06:23)Fuma says how they're acting suspiciously.
umbrafer: (20:06:30)When you came out, there was a little knot of three of them over at one side; the others are gone
Thematrian1: (20:07:00)#It is pretty weird that they'd leave one of Dunkelzahn's speeches, but I guess they'd have heard it before.#
umbrafer: (20:07:29)(How does Fuma say they're acting suspiciously, anyway?)
circlmastr: (20:07:38)#How would they have?#  (I'm under the impression these guys are (dressed as) Lucas Palace staff, not Dunkie staff.)
umbrafer: (20:08:02)They appear to have come from the same formation that the Dunkie staffers were in
circlmastr: (20:08:29)(Well I missed that at some point)
circlmastr: (20:10:20)(I think I had a completely wrong assessment of the situation.)
umbrafer: (20:11:00)(Better we find that out now, rather than after Initiative gets rolled)
circlmastr: (20:11:11)(Aye)
umbrafer: (20:11:14)(In that context, do you still follow them out?)
circlmastr: (20:11:27)(No, Fuma will stay in the hall.)
circlmastr: (20:11:34)(er, banquet hall, not hallway)
umbrafer: (20:11:48)Yeah, I figured. Too many halls.
Thematrian1: (20:12:52)::enraptured attention::
umbrafer: (20:13:52)Anyway. Dunkie continues to enthrall the crowd for a little while, then yields the podium to another speaker
Thematrian1: (20:14:09):-(
umbrafer: (20:14:45)A large, deep, flat, accented voice rumbles from next to Clip. "Really something, isn't he."
Thematrian1: (20:15:27)I'll look over.  Is it another mage?
OnlineHost: (20:15:29) Thematrian1 rolled 6 6-sided dice:  3 2 1 1 3 1
Thematrian1: (20:15:34)dunno
Thematrian1: (20:15:40)oh, way
umbrafer: (20:15:40)Heh
OnlineHost: (20:15:42) Thematrian1 rolled 2 6-sided dice:  2 3
Thematrian1: (20:15:43)hah
Thematrian1: (20:15:51)forgot my other two dice, but they didn't help
Thematrian1: (20:15:56)"In every sense."
circlmastr: (20:16:01)They felt betrayed by you
umbrafer: (20:16:02)Does Clip follow sports?
Thematrian1: (20:16:23)no
circlmastr: (20:16:37)Then it's a good thing he's not a linebacker.
umbrafer: (20:16:58)You probably don't recognize him, then. Standing next to you is a massive troll among massive trolls. Snoog-level, even.
umbrafer: (20:17:36)He's still following Dunkie with his gaze, positive wonder in his eyes.
Thematrian1: (20:17:46)"A friend of mine arranged this.  I had no idea..."
umbrafer: (20:18:49)"I've supported for a long time, but this is the first… first time I see him in person"
circlmastr: (20:19:16)(Then he'd better donate generously.)
umbrafer: (20:19:30)(He must have, he's here after all)
Thematrian1: (20:19:36)(I didn't)
umbrafer: (20:19:47)(True.)
circlmastr: (20:20:00)(He's free to write a check aside from the donation per plate.)
Thematrian1: (20:20:09)"A rare pleasure.  My name's Sam Clifford, by the way."
Thematrian1: (20:20:17)(And take money from the Sunshine Clinic?)
circlmastr: (20:20:30)(I mean the troll, not Clip)
umbrafer: (20:20:44)(Besides, Clip needs to save up for a hospital)
umbrafer: (20:21:04)(A nuyen each day)
Thematrian1: (20:21:09)(I could've had it at chargen, if I'd pushed)
umbrafer: (20:21:47)(Gets you the place in about 25 thousand years)
umbrafer: (20:22:03)(But interest should cut down on that
umbrafer: (20:22:06)*)
Thematrian1: (20:22:15)(I think we can count on a currency collapse before then)
circlmastr: (20:22:22)(You could borrow the money from Fuma, and owe him your SOUL)
Thematrian1: (20:22:29)Anyway, I'm trying to introduce myself to the giant troll
Thematrian1: (20:22:33)(Already spoken for, I'm afraid)
circlmastr: (20:22:50)(I'll settle for your career, hopes, and dreams.)
Thematrian1: (20:23:29)(You'd trade me a hospital for my ability to run it?  Diabolical!)
circlmastr: (20:23:51)(It's the Gift of the Magi.  Apropos, I'd say.)
umbrafer: (20:24:11)The Troll introduces himself as Sam Lamptey. He says that he plays for the Seattle Seahawks, and appears to find the fact that you don't recognize him on sight a strange and curious experience.
Thematrian1: (20:24:12)(Seriously though, at street level I can't imagine there are too many hopes and dreams to buy up)
Thematrian1: (20:24:16)(Or careers)
Thematrian1: (20:24:40)"I'm a doctor.  It takes up a lot of time, so I don't get out much."
umbrafer: (20:25:47)He chuckles at this. "Not sports medicine, then."
umbrafer: (20:26:02)Meanwhile, a Dunkie staffer approaches Fuma.
umbrafer: (20:26:30)"Excuse me, sir. Might I have a word with you?"
circlmastr: (20:26:38)"Of course."
Thematrian1: (20:27:01)I shake my head.  "Trauma surgeon.  Bullets and knives and so on."
Thematrian1: (20:27:08)Beat.  "Though I guess that doesn't rule out Urban Brawl."
everguard4: (20:27:20) +1. =)
Thematrian1: (20:27:31)#Aw, crap.  Are the Seattle Seahawks an Urban Brawl team?#
umbrafer: (20:27:37)(No, they're Football)
circlmastr: (20:27:38)#No, football.#
Thematrian1: (20:28:00)#Oh, good.#
Thematrian1: (20:28:16)(Oh, they're even a real team.  Nice)
circlmastr: (20:28:22)(Indeed they are.)
circlmastr: (20:28:37)(The Supersonics - basketball - also appear in SR.)
circlmastr: (20:28:49)(Likewise the Mariners and baseball.)
umbrafer: (20:29:08)"On behalf of the campaign, I was hoping we might be able to get contact information for you."
umbrafer: (20:29:37)There is a booming noise that, based on the movement involved, is apparently a chuckle.
circlmastr: (20:30:23)"Of course, of course."  Fuma provides Max Power's address, phone number, and email.
umbrafer: (20:30:45)"You watch Brawl? No, of course."
umbrafer: (20:31:18)That second sentence sounds like a non-fluent way of saying "No, of course not" rather than a dismissal of the possibility
Thematrian1: (20:31:56)"No, but I get a lot of, er, amateur players in my clinic."
umbrafer: (20:32:27)"Fun to watch, but the real teamwork… just not there."
umbrafer: (20:32:44)The staffer takes down Fuma's information, thanks him, and assures him that the campaign will be in touch in the future.
everguard4: (20:32:54) (not anymore, sadly. (re sonics)
Thematrian1: (20:32:59)(?)
Thematrian1: (20:33:16)"Oh?"  Clip exerts himself to draw Sam out on this point.
circlmastr: (20:33:23)"I look forward to it."  Fuma smiles and resumes his MC duties, such as announcing cocktail hour and such.
Thematrian1: (20:33:52)::sputter, gasp::
Thematrian1: (20:34:06)#So now we know how you got us in as security...#
Thematrian1: (20:34:12)#Fuma, how much of this was your doing?#
circlmastr: (20:34:49)(What is Clip sputtering and gasping about?)
umbrafer: (20:35:06)"Some teams do it, but so many… they focus on their own record, not the team."
Thematrian1: (20:35:07)(I don't think he'd yet realized that you'd organized this whole show)
circlmastr: (20:35:43)(What prompted the sputter-gasp, though?)
umbrafer: (20:35:54)(He overheard the staffer and put two and two together)
Thematrian1: (20:36:23)(The MC duties didn't hut)
umbrafer: (20:36:30)Hehehe
circlmastr: (20:36:42)#Technically, all of it.#
Thematrian1: (20:37:16)"That's a shame.  It's the same in surgery, you know; you need a whole team of people, working together, to save a man's life."
Thematrian1: (20:37:24)#ALL of it?#
circlmastr: (20:38:01)#Well, yes.#
Thematrian1: (20:38:54)Clip takes a moment to focus, then: #You called Dunkelzahn, and he came?  Can you introduce me?#
circlmastr: (20:39:59)#I contacted his campaign staff, not him directly, but we'll see.#  Fuma approaches Dunkie.  "Excuse me, but do you have a moment?"
umbrafer: (20:40:44)It takes a few minutes to extract him from his latest conversation, but you are indeed able to seize his attention again.
umbrafer: (20:40:48)Well
umbrafer: (20:40:51)Latest series
umbrafer: (20:41:00)You insert yourself into the queue and he gets around to you
Thematrian1: (20:42:30)::starts extricating himself from the football player with a maximum of class::
circlmastr: (20:42:52)"There are some people rather eager to meet you."  Fuma takes Dunkie over to Clip.  "Dunkelzahn, this is Sam Lamptey of the Seattle Seahawks, and Sam Clifford, heading up the private security for this event."
circlmastr: (20:42:59)"Both big fans of yours."
Thematrian1: (20:43:19)::turns off astral senses, out of sheer self-preservation::
circlmastr: (20:43:45)(I can't imagine you getting far enough away from the giant troll in a short time without being impolite.)
umbrafer: (20:43:46)Sam apparently completely loses some of his composure and starts gushing in what you may or may not recognize as French.
umbrafer: (20:44:19)(If you have the skill, you may even recognize it as neither Quebecois nor French French)
Thematrian1: (20:44:46)(Nope, French isn't one of my languages)
circlmastr: (20:44:58)(Which leaves... Haiti?  West Africa?)
umbrafer: (20:45:47)(Côte d'Ivoire, according to Prime Runners)
Thematrian1: (20:46:01)the ivory coast?
umbrafer: (20:46:06)(Yep)
Thematrian1: (20:46:16)(And sure enough, it's in west africa)
umbrafer: (20:46:21)(Yes indeed)
circlmastr: (20:46:29)(Anyway.)
Thematrian1: (20:47:05)Clip tries for a little self-possession, and tells Dunkelzahn (!!!) how much he admires his work
umbrafer: (20:48:48)(Other options include northern Italy, Monaco, Wallonia, Switzerland, Lebanon, and Madagascar, as well as some minor other locations)
umbrafer: (20:49:20)Dunkelzahn thinks at you.
umbrafer: (20:49:29)It's quite the experience.
Thematrian1: (20:50:02)Does he think 'Go away, you scruffy street doctor you?'
OnlineHost: (20:51:01) everguard4 rolled 6 6-sided dice:  4 1 6 2 5 4
umbrafer: (20:51:10)He doesn't; he even thanks you for your support, though he does it with a look in his eye that you can't tell if you're imagining
umbrafer: (20:51:27)//roll-dice1
OnlineHost: (20:51:27) Umbrafer rolled 1 6-sided die:  5
umbrafer: (20:52:21)Do you say anything in particular to him?
Thematrian1: (20:52:44)hm.  I guess that I'm very interested in the plight of the SINless
umbrafer: (20:53:55)He thinks to you his plan to try to get a SIN-granting bill passed. He thinks whether there's anything you'd focus on to start?
Thematrian1: (20:54:33)(Knowing the future of D's presidency adds a really weird layer to this conversation)
umbrafer: (20:56:08)Anyway, you commune with the Big D.
umbrafer: (20:56:47)After a little while he drifts off to other supporters, and the evening winds to a close.
umbrafer: (20:57:06)Much nuyen changes hands.
circlmastr: (20:58:05)Fuma casually suggests to the super-troll some sort of fundraising from the Seahawks franchise.
umbrafer: (20:58:28)The Troll gets a very sad look on his face.
circlmastr: (20:58:56)"Something amiss?"
umbrafer: (20:58:57)"My teammates, many of them support Dunkelzahn, but the manager… he likes Hernandez."
circlmastr: (20:59:54)"So let the players who support Dunkelzahn hold an event themselves."
umbrafer: (21:00:25)"Perhaps."
umbrafer: (21:01:51)(For the record, this is Rozilyn Hernandez's future concession statement: "“I just hope all you people know what you’re doing, voting a dragon into office when you could have had ... oh, forget it. Just don’t come crying to me when things don’t work out quite like you expected.”)
umbrafer: (21:02:02)Er, ignore that first set of quotes.
circlmastr: (21:02:33)I choose to ignore the second set
umbrafer: (21:02:50)So you have mismatched quotes (dumb and end)
umbrafer: (21:03:24)Anyway
umbrafer: (21:03:56)The seeds of sedition are hopefully planted in Sam Lamptey's mind
umbrafer: (21:04:07)Other than that, the evening ends quietly.
circlmastr: (21:04:15)Otherwise Fuma brings the evening to close as gracious host.
circlmastr: (21:04:33)Presumably Dunkie's people took all the donations directly.
umbrafer: (21:05:13)Probably. It was handled discreetly; unless you went out of your way to keep tabs on it, it'd be hard to tell.
circlmastr: (21:06:16)I just wanted to make sure Fuma has no opportunity to recoup his expenses off the top. ;-)
umbrafer: (21:06:52)Hehehe
umbrafer: (21:06:58)Yeah, no, someone else handles the money.
Dragcrell: (21:07:12)(I don't think that would be overly wise to do anyway considering what it is you would be dealing with if it was found out)
circlmastr: (21:07:38)So, after everyone departs, Fuma confers with Clip.  "So, not bad for an unpaid job, wouldn't you say?"
Thematrian1: (21:07:46)::gibber::
Thematrian1: (21:07:52)er
Thematrian1: (21:08:05)"Yeah, it wasn't bad."
Thematrian1: (21:08:11)"Bit of all right I guess."
circlmastr: (21:09:06)Fuma chuckles.  "A master of understatement."
Thematrian1: (21:09:21)::manages, with an effort, to refrain from asking who Fuma is that he can swing this::
umbrafer: (21:11:51)Meanwhile, and by meanwhile I actually mean before all this, some results have come in from Spiritual Analysis
umbrafer: (21:11:58)Actually, all of them have, I just suck.
umbrafer: (21:12:04)Well, and need more information in some cases.
Thematrian1: (21:12:04)woo!
Thematrian1: (21:12:11)For the results, I mean
umbrafer: (21:15:57)(They're on Wave, in case you were waiting for me to give them)
umbrafer: (21:17:48)Aside from the ones noted as such, I need to know what general sort of areas you conjured the Field and City spirits in.
Thematrian1: (21:20:11)City will be outside the Clinic.  Field...hm.  Any field that's easy  to get to, really.
umbrafer: (21:20:36)What sort of area was the clinic in again?
umbrafer: (21:20:51)That'll also determine the fields that are most handy, actually
Thematrian1: (21:21:14)Pretty poor.
Thematrian1: (21:21:32)Sometimes we get clients from gun battles that take place down the street.
umbrafer: (21:22:07)Ok. There are a few abandoned weed-grown lots within easy striking distance, and a poorly-maintained public sports field a bit further.
umbrafer: (21:23:58)Choice on that, while I fill in the city spirit you get by walking out the door?
Thematrian1: (21:24:06)sports field
umbrafer: (21:25:45)Ok
Thematrian1: (21:29:10)eesh.  Have you guys read these?
umbrafer: (21:29:27)Also, while you're at it, give me an Intelligence roll at default.
everguard4: (21:29:31) yes and I'm not happy.
OnlineHost: (21:29:33) Thematrian1 rolled 8 6-sided dice:  2 1 5 2 4 6 3 5
OnlineHost: (21:29:36) Thematrian1 rolled 1 6-sided die:  3
Thematrian1: (21:29:48)And my ME might help with that, depending
umbrafer: (21:30:01)It doesn't, in this case.
Thematrian1: (21:32:06)So essentially: the prospect of giving the mask to some guy worries me a lot, but it's not like keeping it or destroying it are safe options either
Thematrian1: (21:32:24)destroying, particularly, would call down the wrath of....well, I don't even know, but no one we want the wrath of
circlmastr: (21:32:37)The wrath of Fuma's contact.
umbrafer: (21:32:40)Probably the mafia.
umbrafer: (21:32:42)Yeah
circlmastr: (21:32:45)And dinnertime now, brb
Thematrian1: (21:33:12)the mafia, plus whatever astral forces are connected to the mask
umbrafer: (21:33:56)The mafia are scary enough to begin with, given the estimated value of the mask
Thematrian1: (21:34:25)eh, if it's really "just" a force 12-or-so power focus, it costs less than half what a hospital would
Thematrian1: (21:34:30)hardly anything, in the grand scheme
umbrafer: (21:40:45)Anyway, after your deep spiritual investigation of the mask, you have the niggling sense that knowing something about who made it might help understand it
Thematrian1: (21:41:10)makes sense, but do I have any way to follow up?  All I've got is an astral signature, and it's not one I recognize, is it?
umbrafer: (21:41:34)Nope
Thematrian1: (21:41:45)thoughts, gentlemen?
umbrafer: (21:41:50)It's a niggling sense, not a helpful niggling sense
Thematrian1: (21:43:23)heh
Thematrian1: (21:43:29)hm
Thematrian1: (21:43:31)actually
Thematrian1: (21:43:42)is this the sort of thing I could undertake an Astral Quest to learn?
umbrafer: (21:45:20)Magical Theory?
Thematrian1: (21:45:29)Magic:
OnlineHost: (21:45:31) Thematrian1 rolled 6 6-sided dice:  4 4 2 2 6 6
OnlineHost: (21:45:34) Thematrian1 rolled 2 6-sided dice:  3 6
OnlineHost: (21:45:36) Thematrian1 rolled 1 6-sided die:  1
umbrafer: (21:48:32)To be clear, was that Magical Theory? Or what?
Thematrian1: (21:48:37)Magic
umbrafer: (21:48:53)Magic, as in Knowledge Skill Magic?
Thematrian1: (21:49:05)indeed
umbrafer: (21:49:08)Ok
umbrafer: (21:49:10)Well
umbrafer: (21:49:29)You've heard of finding the True Names of spirits in the metaplanes
umbrafer: (21:49:42)And you've heard about learning things of great importance from one's totem in the metaplanes
umbrafer: (21:50:10)You've never heard of finding the creator of a magical item in the metaplanes, but with a strong enough connection it could work
Thematrian1: (21:50:29)Ok.  Over the week, on the Wave, I'd like to try that.
umbrafer: (21:51:44)Sounds good. Anything else?
umbrafer: (22:00:23)We have a request fo a well-defined interaction between earth and flux
Thematrian1: (22:00:30)flux?
umbrafer: (22:01:04)Flux rating. Broadcast stuff range determining
Thematrian1: (22:01:09)ah
umbrafer: (22:12:03)"Universal disassemblers"
Thematrian1: (22:12:11)?
umbrafer: (22:12:35)\Reading through Target: Wastelands
umbrafer: (22:13:11)Shadowtalk about an unconfirmed weaponization of the bee drone nanite cutters from the Arc
Thematrian1: (22:13:15)sounds dangerous
Thematrian1: (22:13:33)never understood how anyone was supposed to live through that
Thematrian1: (22:13:36)the Arc, I mean
Dragcrell: (22:14:18)they are ment to live? I go the impression it was ment to be a death trap
umbrafer: (22:14:50)I think it's the sort of thing you're supposed to go into once you hit around 400-500 karma
umbrafer: (22:15:35)(If this campaign reaches a conclusion before we get Matt back, I should run that)
Thematrian1: (22:16:44)(I'd resurrect Rolf for that)
umbrafer: (22:16:51)(Rolf?)
Thematrian1: (22:17:01)(Rolf Gundarsson, Cyclops Street Berserker)
umbrafer: (22:17:09)(Hehehe)
circlmastr: (22:17:26)(I wonder how Batman would do in the Arc)
umbrafer: (22:17:40)(He'd be ok, he has shark repellant)
Thematrian1: (22:17:57)(Hard to see how he'd fight the nanobots)
umbrafer: (22:18:14)(With shark repellant! Or bee-drone repellant.)
Dragcrell: (22:18:37)(Batman I'm sad to say would be the first to get killed
umbrafer: (22:19:41)So I'm curious, what Power did Rolf deal with his chosen weapon?
Dragcrell: (22:20:24)(acualy come to think of it they killed the first Batman in the comics. well I'm off have fun)
Thematrian1: (22:21:20)18D IIRC
Thematrian1: (22:21:29)but with only like 9 dice behind it, plus pool
Thematrian1: (22:21:41)that'd be the major priority, with karma
umbrafer: (22:21:56)Mm. So you'd still have to work to crack Medusae, IIRC.
umbrafer: (22:23:07)Also, we need to rethink Ablative Armor.
Thematrian1: (22:23:13)yeah
Thematrian1: (22:23:42)though honestly, I'm not convinced it's worth saving
umbrafer: (22:24:39)Mm. Especially if we end up going through with one of the other proposals to fix the all-or-nothing vehicle damage issue
Thematrian1: (22:25:06)oh, have we reached some consensus on that?
umbrafer: (22:25:30)No
umbrafer: (22:25:36)But there are a few proposals out there
Thematrian1: (22:26:00)do we like any?
umbrafer: (22:26:56)The one I like best is the partial-box one, but it's sorta…
umbrafer: (22:27:04)Weird.
Thematrian1: (22:27:07)ugh
Thematrian1: (22:27:19)it sure is
Thematrian1: (22:27:28)I'd almost rather have variable-length damage tracks
Thematrian1: (22:27:35)I know, I know, it's mathematically equivalent
umbrafer: (22:27:49)Not quite; variable-length tracks don't need to be multiples of 10
Thematrian1: (22:28:00)true
Thematrian1: (22:29:54)We need to pick one of those options and playtest it.
umbrafer: (22:30:32)The issue as I see it is the lack of a way to express "negligible damage but not no damage"
umbrafer: (22:31:01)The variable-length approach, unless you do make it mathematically equivalent, doesn't present an obvious way to capture that; where would you put the modifiers?
Thematrian1: (22:31:30)I figured you'd pick integer multiples of 10, to simplify that very issue
Thematrian1: (22:31:45)If the track is 30 boxes long, you take an L at 3, an M at 9, etc
umbrafer: (22:31:51)Mm.
Thematrian1: (22:32:10)It adds complexity, but you have to consider that in the context of the vehicle rules
umbrafer: (22:32:16)3 is the pathological case for partial-boxes; I had a homework assignment a few weeks ago in which I tried to divide square boxes in three sanely
umbrafer: (22:32:19)It didn't go so well
Thematrian1: (22:32:37)can't you just sorta draw a peace sign?
Thematrian1: (22:32:52)it's not even, but you can tell what proportion is filled in
umbrafer: (22:32:58)Ah, I guess that works
Thematrian1: (22:35:49)how do the vehicles break down?  Who gets how many boxes?
umbrafer: (22:36:12)Exactly what I was hoping you wouldn't ask x.x
Thematrian1: (22:36:22)it's a pretty important question ;-)
umbrafer: (22:36:44)Stupid mixing of levels of abstraction
Thematrian1: (22:36:58)that's well put
umbrafer: (22:38:26)It must be nighttime, Sigrún is going berserk
Thematrian1: (22:38:29)?
umbrafer: (22:39:29)She likes to stampede around the apartment, meow, and attack moving things sometime between 22:00 and midnight
umbrafer: (22:40:19)But yeah. Fire a bullet into a significant and fragile part, like, say, the timing belt, and you could probably stop a car in one or two hits
umbrafer: (22:40:32)Fire into a door, and you'd better be using a cannon
Thematrian1: (22:40:57)Shooting a door sounds like it'd be best modeled with 'damage staged to zero'
Thematrian1: (22:41:04)except for how vehicles can't stage anything, ever
umbrafer: (22:41:17)Also the fact that you can shoot vehicles from dead behind
Thematrian1: (22:41:23)that's why I was so hot to give them extra staging dice
Thematrian1: (22:41:39)there are important parts toward the back, aren't there?
umbrafer: (22:42:44)I'm no expert on car layout, but my understanding is that aside from tires most of the important bits towards the back are not important in an immediate way, at least not with the sort of failure mode that a bullet would probably cause
umbrafer: (22:43:01)What is there, the end of the exhaust system? I guess the placement of the fuel tank could vary
umbrafer: (22:43:04)But even that
umbrafer: (22:43:21)Unless you start a fire or make a really big hole, it's just going to stop it eventually
umbrafer: (22:43:33)What else?
umbrafer: (22:44:18)I don't know. This is what we need Bron in the game for.
Thematrian1: (22:44:18)I know even less than you
umbrafer: (22:44:36)(Bron being Gedeon Ougun's player)
Thematrian1: (22:44:43)(I remember)
Thematrian1: (22:45:00)(I built him a whole Bokor-related subplot)
umbrafer: (22:45:06)(Before he went back to grad school, he was an automotive technician)
Thematrian1: (22:45:11)(ahhhh)
umbrafer: (22:46:00)(You seem to have bad luck with bokor-related plots)
Thematrian1: (22:46:17)(He was ill-fated, I should have known that from the moment he died)
umbrafer: (22:48:46)(Sooth)
umbrafer: (22:49:25)We also lost the other person who was connected to that, didn't we? Wasn't Essef part of it?
Thematrian1: (22:49:40)she had her own thing, as it happened
Thematrian1: (22:49:47)you should ask Heath about it sometime
umbrafer: (22:49:52)Not Essie, Essef
umbrafer: (22:49:59)Shadowfire
Thematrian1: (22:49:59)oh, that
Thematrian1: (22:50:11)no, that was something else
Thematrian1: (22:51:12)the Tower run could have been twice as crazy, easily, if SF had stuck around for the finale
umbrafer: (22:52:37)So I gathered from the fact that you had to retcon his disappearance to not have us all die.
Thematrian1: (22:52:52)heh, did I say that?
umbrafer: (22:53:03)Something along those lines
Thematrian1: (22:55:46)oh, right
Thematrian1: (22:55:48)yeah
Thematrian1: (22:55:59)yeah, there was going to be a whole thing
Thematrian1: (22:56:14)but it worked out in the end, more or less
umbrafer: (22:58:29)We made it out alive, and with some loot (even if without any Behemoths)
umbrafer: (22:58:37)that's a kind of working out
umbrafer: (22:59:03)Need to convince Essie to get smartgoggles and take up archery
Thematrian1: (22:59:04)I meant more, the challenges remained interesting even without the extra dimension SF's thing would have introduced
umbrafer: (22:59:12)Ah, yeah
Thematrian1: (22:59:17)whatever for?
umbrafer: (22:59:21)So very many bug spirits
umbrafer: (22:59:26)Well, there was that fancy bow we found
Thematrian1: (22:59:43)Blake using hydrostatic shock against the queen was a personal favorite
Thematrian1: (22:59:46)sure, but why her?
Thematrian1: (22:59:50)hm
Thematrian1: (22:59:56)Yeah, ok, process of elimination I guess
umbrafer: (22:59:56)She seems like the reasonable choice
umbrafer: (22:59:59)Yeah
umbrafer: (23:02:33)Man.
umbrafer: (23:02:46)We need a few more players.
Thematrian1: (23:02:55)I hear that
umbrafer: (23:02:57)I guess you have first call on players
Thematrian1: (23:03:04)we
Thematrian1: (23:03:14)'re drawing from different pools, at this point, I think
umbrafer: (23:03:32)Yeah, sounds like it
umbrafer: (23:03:47)In principle if we get Matt back he could go either way
umbrafer: (23:04:09)But he has history with the SR group, even though half of the GURPS group is from the SR group
Thematrian1: (23:05:20)right, and I didn't get the impression that Gurps was his favorite system anyway
umbrafer: (23:08:11)Speaking of stories, someday I'm going to want to know what was up with the meat-road.
umbrafer: (23:08:34)(Actually someday is now, but we aren't very far from it so I can hardly justify asking)
Thematrian1: (23:08:35)one of the virtues of Cometfall is that it gives me a vent for excess ideas
umbrafer: (23:08:41)Hehehe
Thematrian1: (23:08:55)I can burn through a dozen in a single session; even my high school games weren't so efficient
umbrafer: (23:09:31)Incidentally, did you get a chance to check the dieroller code out?
umbrafer: (23:09:43)I need to figure out what I can do, if anything, to let you actually upload and test it
Thematrian1: (23:09:54)I've seen it, though it feels like a while ago
umbrafer: (23:10:24)Since Google currently provides (unless they added it while I wasn't looking) no way of testing Wave bots without, well, running them on a Wave
Thematrian1: (23:11:36)two bots, normal and experimental. 
umbrafer: (23:12:28)Yeah, but because of the limit on… well, I guess you could name it a name that you might reuse
umbrafer: (23:12:49)The issue is that you're limited to ten identifiers, and they can't be changed
Thematrian1: (23:12:56)...what?
umbrafer: (23:12:59)I don't know
Thematrian1: (23:13:03)you can't be serious
umbrafer: (23:13:04)It's dumb in the face, so I moved on
Thematrian1: (23:13:07)they can't be serious
umbrafer: (23:13:22)It might just be while it's beta, though that might be for the rest of the century knowing Google
Thematrian1: (23:14:04)hey, I hear gmail's out of beta now
Thematrian1: (23:14:18)after, what, not even five years
umbrafer: (23:15:49)So yeah, while having your own experimental bot would definitely work, I recommend not calling it sr3roller-experimental just in case Google decides not to fix their dumb in the immediate future.
Thematrian1: (23:15:57)good call
Thematrian1: (23:16:03)it can be 'test bed' or something
umbrafer: (23:17:58)Oh, Target: Wastelands.
Thematrian1: (23:18:01)?
umbrafer: (23:18:02)"Storm dolphin attacks"
Thematrian1: (23:18:06)!
umbrafer: (23:23:19)Speaking of wildly varying levels of abstraction, I'm so glad this quarter is over.
Thematrian1: (23:23:27)?
umbrafer: (23:24:00)At the beginning, when I was still mostly doing research for my thesis rather than implementation, the fact that another of my courses was requiring a bunch of C wasn't a problem
umbrafer: (23:24:02)But then
umbrafer: (23:24:12)I was going from C to Haskell, and Haskell to C
Thematrian1: (23:24:15)ouch
umbrafer: (23:24:28)With some SQL in between
Thematrian1: (23:24:31)and your professors wouldn't let you submit the output of the C backend?
umbrafer: (23:24:34)Hah
umbrafer: (23:24:45)No, sadly
Thematrian1: (23:25:31)well, nor would I, in their place
Thematrian1: (23:25:37)reminds me: have you seen the new LLVM backend?
umbrafer: (23:25:41)Yes, I have
umbrafer: (23:25:55)As well as some of the benchmarks it's most favourable on
Thematrian1: (23:26:50)yeah, well, I do wonder how much Haskell code is purely numerical.  But LLVM's a big platform, so there's lots of scope for new optimizations
umbrafer: (23:26:58)Sooth.
umbrafer: (23:28:11)(It was actually implied in conversation that if I had bothered to write, in C, an interpreter for a more expressive language using that would have been acceptable. I'm not sure how much of this implication was based on the assumption that I wouldn't actually do it.)
Thematrian1: (23:28:58)(Hm.  Would it be good enough if you wrote a C-emitting compiler in some other language, then made it self-hosting?)
Thematrian1: (23:29:32)(I kinda like C as a backend, but I can barely imagine implementing a language in it)
umbrafer: (23:30:56)(I don't think so. The fact that the initial grunt work would be C-based seemed to be important.)
Thematrian1: (23:31:36)(Weird.  It's not like you can target a compiler to C without knowing the language backwards and forwards anyway)
umbrafer: (23:32:13)(Well, I didn't actually explicitly suggest the idea, because I was apparently being insufficiently creative)
umbrafer: (23:32:55)(At least I ended up being able to demonstrate mastery of C type declarations.)
Thematrian1: (23:33:07)(I take objection to even the 'in C' part, unless the teacher's objection was that you'd get in over your head or something)
Thematrian1: (23:33:27)(Haha, then you're doing better than me.  I always have to look up function pointers; I can never remember where the variable name goes.)
umbrafer: (23:33:37)(Well, it's a course that's focused on low-level concerns)
umbrafer: (23:33:59)(I think I might win some kind of "most use of function pointers, some of which accept or return function pointers, without casting to a void pointer" award)
Thematrian1: (23:34:42)(What's the focus of the course, exactly?)
umbrafer: (23:36:00)(Roughly an even more operating systems course.)
Thematrian1: (23:36:05)(Nice)
umbrafer: (23:37:20)(…Sigrún has sideburns.)
Thematrian1: (23:37:29)(fluffy beast)
umbrafer: (23:37:40)(She really is.)
Thematrian1: (23:37:49)(Haskell's still on my lap)
umbrafer: (23:38:39)(Sigrún was curled up at the foot of the bed, but I laid back and she decided to march up and plant herself on my chest)
Thematrian1: (23:38:58)(awww)
Thematrian1: (23:39:17)(whatever the situation used to be, she is now your cat)
umbrafer: (23:39:23)(Sooth.)
umbrafer: (23:39:48)(I had a nasty scare last week when a bunch of "have you seen this cat" posters went up looking for a black longhair)
Thematrian1: (23:40:16)(Eek.  Yeah, I'd say.  But it was the wrong cat?)
umbrafer: (23:40:29)(Fortunately on closer inspection later that day, the cat on the poster was clearly missing Sigrún's white markings, plus lacked the sideburns)
umbrafer: (23:40:42)(It was a bad morning, though)
umbrafer: (23:41:13)(The fact that the cat was on its back left me initially sure it was her)
Thematrian1: (23:41:22)(hahaha)
Thematrian1: (23:41:34)(a relentlessly upside-down cat?)
umbrafer: (23:42:02)(Further investigation also leads me to believe that the cat in the picture is rolling over, unlike Sigrun who will just lie with her paws in the air)
Thematrian1: (23:42:17)(it sounds adorable)
umbrafer: (23:42:26)(It really is)
umbrafer: (23:43:41)(Reminds me, I need to start a cat-picture mailing list)
Thematrian1: (23:43:54)(there must be some extant)
umbrafer: (23:46:07)(A representative photograph is on its way)
Thematrian1: (23:49:18)awww
Thematrian1: (23:49:22)perhaps you should start your own list
umbrafer: (23:49:39)Yeah. I already send them to my father, who then forwards them to assorted family members
umbrafer: (23:51:30)Which reminds me, I need to spend some time this week learning how to get her to expose her claws for trimming.
umbrafer: (23:51:35)Lest I die of blood loss.
umbrafer: (23:51:56)(She is a very adorable, very spiky cat)
Thematrian1: (23:51:58)doesn't control her claws, eh?
Thematrian1: (23:52:00)heh
umbrafer: (23:52:02)She does
umbrafer: (23:52:08)She just kneads affectionately
umbrafer: (23:52:14)And occasionally stretches
Thematrian1: (23:52:26)hehehe
Thematrian1: (23:54:44)ok, napcat or no napcat, I'm going to bed
umbrafer: (23:55:17)A reasonable choice. Sleep well, see you Wednesday, don't eat any bad chicken
Thematrian1: (23:55:26)definitely not